Not any more.
In the early seventies I discovered libertarianism and remain a libertarian to this day. And now I live again in Scotland but one that has changed completely from the Labour/Tory one that I left so many years ago.After Ewing's victory at Hamilton I read a letter in (I think) the Evening Standard. It went something like this:
If Scotland became independent, the next thing is that Yorkshire would want to do so as well.At that point I knew that "they didn't get it".
The thing's this: everyone in Scotland, whether they support independence or not, thinks that in some sense Scotland is a nation.
No one in Yorkshire thinks that in some sense Yorkshire is a nation.
Yes, Yorkshire's a very fine county - the only place I've lived in England other than London. Its inhabitants are rightly proud of their identity and like nothing better than beating those folk from the other side of the Pennines. But Yorkshire's not a nation and no-one there thinks that it is.
When the Treaty of Union was signed and then approved by the two Acts of Union in 1707 (and yes, there were two, obviously) the Scots insisted on three things:
(1) The retention of the Scottish legal systemThose three "retentions" are what meant that for three centuries Scots continued to see themselves as citizens of a Scottish nation within a multi-national British state. And without those retentions the Scots would never had agreed to the merger of the two parliaments.
(2) The retention of the Church of Scotland
(3) The retention of the Scottish education system
The problem is of course that our English friends never saw it that way. From the English point of view, when they thought about it at all, England seemed to have somehow acquired a strange, wet, mountainous additional bit of land somewhere up north. Although vaguely aware that these new "Englishmen" spoke with funny accents and were rather useful in the military, very few down South had any real idea that Scotland had retained its own different civil society as laid down in the Acts of Union. I well recall coming up here on different occasions with English friends who would exclaim: "I didn't realise that it was so different up here." And they weren't talking about the weather! Well, they ken noo...
But do they? I really don't think so. Last night I spent several hours reading the English comments on the Telegraph, the Guardian and on Political Betting. It really was extraordinary.
Would Scotland have its own embassies?Why is it all so mysterious? Those Scots who seek independence do so because they want their nation to be just like others. No mystery.
Would Scotland have its own military?
Would Scotland have its own Inland Revenue? (Hopefully not, but that's another story!)
Would Scotland have its own team at the Olympics?
Would Scotland have a head of state?
etc. etc. etc
That incidentally, is the answer to those down south who say: "The SNP doesn't really want independence because they want to remain in the EU." Now I'm not a fan of the EU, but the point is that most Scots want to be like other normal nations. If that means out of the EU, so be it. If that means in the EU, so be it. It's the wanting to be a normal nation that's they key to what happened across Scotland on Thursday.
But Cameron, Clegg, Milliband, the BBC, and the rest of them don't get it, do they? That, in my opinion, is why independence is now inevitable.
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David, your distinction between the political union with England, and political union with the EU is specious I'm afraid. It's perfectly likely that Scotland will actually enjoy less "other nationhood" as a statelet of the EU than it currently does.
17 May 2011, 13:00:02 GMT+01:00
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Scotland's cultural Leftism will be its economic undoing if Independence comes. The Scots display the 'crabs in a bucket' attitude to people who try to advance financially and too many Scots have been sold a bill of Marxist goods which venerates the inferior, the debased and the degenerate.
14 May 2011, 08:17:45 GMT+01:00
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I agree. UK politicians do not "get" Scotland and this includes Brown, Darling, Clegg, Cameron etc. etc. etc. The new Labour leader? Who knows or for that matter cares.
A further point they are missing is the the Scottish elctorate did something which is not available to those who live in England. We voted for a party who were not part of the establishment. We voted for a party who were not based in London and steeped in Westminster. Also note that the SNP MPs in London do not vote on English issues.
We are a different country but still part of the UK. The surprise is that the English don't seem to want their own parliament perhaps because they view Westminster as English. The English political parties do not want Scotland to gain independence. Why? They keep telling us that we cost them money so why would they want to continue with that? The loss of Scotland to the UK may prove to be more damaging than is immediately obvious but without a doubt England would be a better place focussed on English needs and wants with a seperate Scotland. Maybe the procss of defining what that truly means would be an enlightment for them.
9 May 2011, 13:19:51 GMT+01:00
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I thought I explained that. It's not so much about "independence" but about being like other nations.
8 May 2011, 21:01:47 GMT+01:00
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Why would you want independence from England, just so you can be told what to do by Brussels?
8 May 2011, 20:55:21 GMT+01:00
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If, at the next General Election (for Westminster) the SNP gains a majority of MPs in the Scottish constituencies, then I might begin to think what you write is probably correct. Until then, it is just so much hyperbole.
8 May 2011, 18:08:32 GMT+01:00
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